Su-30 cockpit shots

I don't know if this article has been linked to before in the forums but includes some nice Su30-MKK and SU-30MKI cockpit shots.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Flanker.html

thanks a lot ! I love it!

Great cockpit shots ... they look a bit 'ad hoc' compared to western aircrafts.

As for the rest of the article ...

Oh my. That's some ridiculous range over-estimations for the weapons ... R-27R at '43nm' ... :D

Unfortunately for this guy, the declass employment manual for this weapon shows an absolute max range of about 35km at high altitude and transonic speed launch ... he did get one things right: The 'radar detection' graph shows the (best case scenario) detection against a stealth aircraft, which is pretty small - the stealth is firing by the time it is detected, and well before it can be tracked and attacked. In addition, the missile seekers can barely detect it, making a return shot even -more- difficult.

The IRST 'distance' is well, well over-estimated ... these aircraft use IR stealthing also.

Anyway, that was pretty OT - I digress.

Good find:thumbup: A lot of info, this is the first picture of the Iranian Tomcat evaluated by the russians I see.

Thanks for the link. Haven't read that article before.

It's written by Carlo Kopp. A little background: He's a bit F-22 fan, and once that was getting into service, he decided that the F/A-18 was no longer good enough for the Aussies.

His presentations are neat, but he's never under any pressure to back up his stuff.

Glass cockpits....arrrrggghhhh!!!:no_sad:

Heh...aside from that...great link, Anytime! :D

They may or may not be great for weapon ranges and so forth, but I've been going there for reference in making my Encyclopedia mods for LOMAC. At least ausairpower gets the system names right, which is more than I can say for the game that has given me sufficient reason to modify its encyclopedia. ;)

:megalol:

karlo's not so much an F-22 zealot but he does has a strong opion about trying to replace the long range F-111 strike capability with the JSF.

I think it will be one fine aircraft as long as the US doesn"t handicap it with a few radar reflectors! Well and truely good enough for our needs with Meteor or the nex gen AMRAAM load out.

ps The last time the RF-111 was used in anger was to spy on some greenies in Tasmania protesting about a dam being built ... the greenies one thank god.

Glass cockpits....arrrrggghhhh!!!:no_sad:

 

Heh...aside from that...great link, Anytime! :D

 

They may or may not be great for weapon ranges and so forth, but I've been going there for reference in making my Encyclopedia mods for LOMAC. At least ausairpower gets the system names right, which is more than I can say for the game that has given me sufficient reason to modify its encyclopedia. ;)

Hehe...I know how much the man loves the F-111. I love it too, but I also realize it is an old aircraft...that deserves a much more worthy replacement than the Hornet, since the Hornet, frankly, doesn't have too many advantages over the Vark, other than its relative age. The F-35 seems like a much better choice, rather than wasting the money on an interim, stop-gap solution. The US Marines also decided to wait for the F-35 rather than adopting the SuperBug. I guess its because the Marines have to be more budget-conscious when it comes to cost vs. benefits.

Actually the superbug lacks the speed, and range of the F-111, both of which are big minuses. But it has much, much more capable avionic suite, LO tech, and the ability to defend itself in A2A at a moment's notice. With AIM-120D it'll be a killer ... the 120D has some serious upgrades over the C models, including expnaded off-bore capability in BVR.

(Can you imagine ... the way we do BVR right now a lot of the time is not really feasible? Ie. F-Poling and launching the missiles out of the F-Pole without turning into the target. Apparently the missile antenna arangement in RL doesn't allow this - the missile won't be able to capture the datalink)

Anyway, the F-35 has the obvious advantage of stealth, and speed of the F-18E. It's only the single-engine thing that's a strike against it, and that's it.

He also forgets that a couple of well placed JSFs will detect the SU-30 emmissions, and by the time we have JSFs, send a AIM-120R or a METEOR in that general vacinity.

Hehe...I know how much the man loves the F-111. I love it too, but I also realize it is an old aircraft...that deserves a much more worthy replacement than the Hornet, since the Hornet, frankly, doesn't have too many advantages over the Vark, other than its relative age. The F-35 seems like a much better choice, rather than wasting the money on an interim, stop-gap solution. The US Marines also decided to wait for the F-35 rather than adopting the SuperBug. I guess its because the Marines have to be more budget-conscious when it comes to cost vs. benefits.

Yup, speed and range are big minuses for the SuperBug in defending a continent the size of Australia. The SuperBug could defend itself against air attack, which the Vark cannot (except in about the same sense an A-10 could), so it requires extra air assets to get it to the target. But, not really, when you consider the re-fueling aircraft and fighter escorts required to support SuperHornet missions. Not to mention the fact that, if the A2A situation gets hairy enough, those Bug drivers will sacrifice their air to mud stores to save their jet. Great for living to fight another day, but it also means their mission is a failure. Its great for current missions carried out by the US and Canadians, and its wonderful for overall defense in small countries like Switzerland, but in Australia, it really falls short.

I guess we're all in agreement though, the F-35 is the way to go. :D

Is there an R77T in production?

No, there are not. They may or may not have been cancelled. For sure, the next R-77 incarnation will be well advanced over the 'baseline' R-77 available now.

Dunno, last time I heard they were working on next-gen missiles, intended to replace the R-73 and R-77, ofcourse, those will be classified for the few years to come, as those are intended for Russia's MFI/PAK-FA projects and not for export sales.

The R-77 is regarded as obsolete, so any modifications for it will be for export customers only, and if no one orders the r-77T, then there won't be any to shoot ;)

There is still a discussion on the table to buy Superbug as an interim solution.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21187027-31477,00.html

in continuation of:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/12/australia-to-buy-24-super-hornets-as-interim-gapfiller-to-jsf/index.php

A special note:

There is a referrence to Su-35 on this article. Recently apparently, the russians have come arround this modernised variant as a revival of the Su-35 program known at the 1990's but in efect they are both different airccraft.

The current projected Su-35 has no canards, and is intended to have different equipment as well. No orders were placed so far.

Hmmm...and where does it say in those articles that Australia is shelving the idea of the F-35? 24 Hornets to replace 71 Varks? Did it ever occur to you that the Australian government is going to follow the same strategy any other government would follow...to gradually phase out the older airframes? Thus, the Hornet will be a great interim/transitional aircraft. My US Marine Corps comparison earlier...the Marines already bought Hornets to replace their Phantoms, so, without the disadvantage of 30-year-old (present-day F-111 age...almost 40 years old actually) airframes going against them, they chose to wait for the F-35. :)

The Australians are under the gun for their defense purchases, and they have actually been quite wise in keeping the Vark as long as they have. A few F/A-18s are definitely a good addition, but they shouldn't put all of their money on those aircraft, their design is over 20-years-old already.

Hmmm ... indeed was bad tone and also a bit off-topic. I will edit the post accordingly. Relating to the thread, I would say the Su-30 seems really perceived as a specific threat, and JSF is evaluated accordingly. I wonder is the Super Hornet is seen only as a stop-gap solution or also as offering some more A-2-A power against the Su's? Although the F-35A will in many ways be super F-16, many seem to doubt it has the legs to counter the Su-30. I wonder if this is true. Its range could surprise, given the very efficient engine and small footprint.

My post also edited accordingly. :smilewink:

The range is definitely up in the air, but its also going to come down to practical range. The speed at which the aircraft can get on target while burning a specified amount of fuel will also be a consideration. Its one of many considerations the F-35 was designed to address. :)

There is a debate going on but the government is not listening. Maybe the RAAF knows more about it's performance than Koop and co? Most of the debate is on exactly that, how short legged it is and how much payload it can carry compared to the F111 (which btw have glass cockpits too: megalol: ).

The SU-30MKI is obviously a pretty impressive aircraft!!

Hmmm ... indeed was bad tone and also a bit off-topic. I will edit the post accordingly. Relating to the thread, I would say the Su-30 seems really perceived as a specific threat, and JSF is evaluated accordingly. I wonder is the Super Hornet is seen only as a stop-gap solution or also as offering some more A-2-A power against the Su's? Although the F-35A will in many ways be super F-16, many seem to doubt it has the legs to counter the Su-30. I wonder if this is true. Its range could surprise, given the very efficient engine and small footprint.

That article has just far too many errors.

I have it on good authority that the RAAF will get 24 Super Hornets to work in conjunction with the F-35.

We were looking at geting the strike eagle but interms of airframe numbers and conversion costs, the Super Hornet wal a clear winner even if it is inferior in most respects to the new Strike Eagle.

I also have it on good authority that the F-22 is still on the table in conjunction with the F-35 and Super Hornet.

Some thing on the order of 6 F-22's, 80-100 F-35's and 24 F/A-18 E/F's

This has been all but confiremed... remember you heard it here first.

The US isn't going to sell F-22's. You can be sure of that.

Heh...I thought that sounded a little odd. I was pretty sure the Raptors weren't going to be available for export. :)